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> Needed Bandwidth For Feature On Css Galleries

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Vivara
post Sep 12 2008, 09:32 PM
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When I release my new design, I'm *probably* going to get featured in a few CSS galleries. With CSS Mania being one of the busiest (and one that accepts the most designs), it's likely I'll be featured there. Probably a few others too, if I'm lucky.


I have 600GB of bandwidth, and I have NO idea whether that's a lot, too little or only okay. I've never really had to worry about it before. I'm currently using only about 220MB of that.
I see many websites featured go over their limit, which to me is defeating the purpose of being featured in the first place - so I do not want that to happen.

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post Sep 12 2008, 10:02 PM
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Well confidence is a good thing I guess... biggrin.gif

If you burn through 600GB of bandwidth in a month then your site is 1) Serving up about 100 MB per page view or 2) getting more visitors than you know what to do with.

600GB is easily enough -- most hosting packages offer 5-10 GB of transfer each month.


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post Sep 13 2008, 06:48 AM
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First off, who is your website host? I'd be willing to bet that if you consumed any where near 600 GB your website host would kick you off in a heart beat! (That is, unless you are on a dedicated server...if that's the case then you should be allowed to use all the resources as they are not overselling.) But, in reality, 600 GB is a LOT of bandwidth, and should be more then enough...LOL!


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Vivara
post Sep 13 2008, 08:09 AM
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Hmm...I'm hosted with Bravenet (they're great).

Attached is a view of my control panel with my information on bandwidth! And by the way, I have no idea what kind of server I'm on. I know I sound really thick, but I've been hosted with them a long time...and I didn't have a clue about that when I started.

All I know is that I can host up to 10 websites, and I have two accounts with them.


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post Sep 13 2008, 08:28 AM
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Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. But any worrying should be moderated by numbers:

Your "v3" hompage is 178 kb. To use 600 Gb of bandwidth a month, you would need about 3.5 million page views.

Most visitors from a CSS showcase will only look at the homepage of your site. So we're talking about maybe 2 -- 3 million visitors a month. That sounds a little far-fetched. At best, I would expect you to get a few hundred a day (*edit* maybe high hundreds to low thousands). A quick Google search reveals some (admittedly weak) anecdotal evidence:



...and if you really think you will get millions of visitors, stick some Adsense up immediately after being accepted to the showcase. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 13 2008, 08:40 AM
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Ehemm. That's not the site I'm working on, nice try.

Have a sneak peek here: (LINK REMOVED!)

There's a reason for the long name, he he. I know I could have named it something shorter, and you still wouldn't have found it, but I'm crazy. I'll be renaming it in a sec once you've looked.

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post Sep 13 2008, 08:52 AM
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Boy, you really fell for that one. biggrin.gif Looks great, by the way. Revise the calculation:

178/250 * 3.5 million = 2.5 million page views to suck your bandwidth dry. That would require a high proportion of CSS mania's visitors to click through to your site (say, 75%).
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post Sep 13 2008, 01:07 PM
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But what if I was featured elsewhere?

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post Sep 13 2008, 01:14 PM
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I have the option to double it to 1.2TB for 3 months, I think.
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post Sep 13 2008, 01:55 PM
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I still think you're safe -- your site is nice but it's not 3 million+ visitors a month nice.


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post Sep 13 2008, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE (Vivara @ Sep 13 2008, 07:07 PM) *
But what if I was featured elsewhere?

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If you got featured on lots of CSS showcases, all at the same time, then maybe you would run out of bandwidth. But still probably not.

It's entirely up to you. I think the scenario you're painting is unlikely; besides, you can always upgrade after you see the first 300 Gb disappear over ten days. wink.gif
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post Sep 13 2008, 02:39 PM
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A closer look at Bravenet terms you might find these areas helpful....

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21. CPU Usage.

Bravenet Members shall not use excessive amounts of CPU processing on any of Bravenet's servers. Any violation of this policy may result in corrective action by Bravenet, including assessment of additional charges, disconnection or discontinuance of any and all Products and Services, termination of this Agreement, as well as the deletion of any Content, which actions may be taken in Bravenet's sole and absolute discretion. If Bravenet takes any corrective action under this section, the Member shall not be entitled to a refund of any fees paid in advance prior to such action.

22. Bandwidth and Disk Usage.

With Bravenet.com Web Tools, bandwidth limits are calculated on a recurring 30 days basis. Bandwidth cannot be combined with multiple packages. Bandwidth and disk usage shall not exceed the number of megabytes per day for the Services ordered and purchased by the Member. Bravenet will monitor each Member's bandwidth and disk usage. Bravenet shall have the right to take corrective action if any Member's bandwidth or disk usage exceeds the Agreed Usage. Such corrective action may include the assessment of additional charges, disconnection or discontinuance of any and all Services, or termination of this Agreement, which actions may be taken in Bravenet's sole and absolute discretion. If Bravenet takes any corrective action under this section, the Member shall not be entitled to a refund of any fees paid in advance prior to such action.

Bandwidth limits for accounts are structured around a monthly total, but metered on a daily basis to ensure that server resources are equally available to all accounts. Accounts using all of, or more than, their alotted daily bandwidth will be temporarily suspended until 12:01am PST the following day. Daily bandwidth metering begins at 12:01am PST and ends at 11:59pm PST. Bandwidth limits are a combination of both HTTP and FTP traffic.


You are currently hosted on a shared server and your host is overselling! When a web host sells more space, bandwidth or CPU cycles than they have at their disposal, with the belief that the customers won't actually use them all. This is pretty common, and if you start to use MORE resources then anticipated the website may decide to remove you from the server. This has happened to TWS with a few hosts, that's why we moved to a dedicated server at The Planet. I honestly feel it's pointless for you to upgrade as you will still be on a shared server. You should consider a VPS or a dedicated server if you are worried about using all your bandwidth or any where close to it all.


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Oh, and I forgot to mention that your design looks great! Nice job!


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post Sep 13 2008, 03:13 PM
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Thanks Jacob!

That really helps, although I'm slightly confused. Does that mean I don't have anywhere near 600GB? I don't think I'll be switching to a dedicated server unfortunately. What would you do?

Oh, by the way - do you think it would get featured in CSS Mania and a few others or am I dreaming? If it does, honestly, how many page views would I get?

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post Sep 13 2008, 03:14 PM
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I know Karinne has been featured before, so what are her opinions?
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post Sep 13 2008, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (Vivara @ Sep 13 2008, 03:13 PM) *
Thanks Jacob!

That really helps, although I'm slightly confused. Does that mean I don't have anywhere near 600GB? I don't think I'll be switching to a dedicated server unfortunately. What would you do?


I highly doubt you have anywhere near 600GB. It's probably more in the range of 15 - 20 GB...maybe a little more, maybe a little less. It just depends on how closely they monitor your bandwidth, and how many users they have on that server. I believe you will be just fine! I would just submit the site, upon completion, to all the CSS galleries, and see what happens. I believe you'll be surprised how far bandwidth goes.

QUOTE (Vivara @ Sep 13 2008, 03:13 PM) *
Oh, by the way - do you think it would get featured in CSS Mania and a few others or am I dreaming? If it does, honestly, how many page views would I get?


I certainly feel it has the potential to be featured on many CSS gallerias. I noticed there were still a few "buggy bits" here and there, however, I assume that is because the site has not been finished. But, yes....it looks GREAT! I can only guess how many page views you would get, however, I can give you our stats....

TWS Monthly Unique Visitors: 46,399 (3 month average)
TWS Monthly Pageviews: 351,704.667 (3 month average)
TWS Monthly Bandwidth Usage: 39.623 GB (3 month average)

The highest TWS has ever used in bandwidth during a 1 month period was 82.325 GB of bandwidth. I would estimate that your bandwidth usage would be in the neighborhood of 15-20 GB, and your page views in the neighborhood of 200,000. (Opening Month Average) That estimate was in the high range, I can't really anticipate your opening month going above that, just from being featured in CSS galleries....unless you are doing some "other" form of marketing.

I would suggest you just monitor your site closely over that month and should you go above 20GB of bandwidth be looking for another host. I know that HostGator, MediaTemple, and Site5 shared plans ask you to either upgrade to a dedicated server or VPS, or find another host after exceeding the range of 20GB of bandwidth usage. That happened to us, apparently we were using to many CPU Cycles. We ended up with a fully dedicated server at The Planet.

You might want to look into getting a VPS (Virtual Private Server). Not only do you get full control of your partition, but you actually get what you pay for. Plus, there are less people on the server, normally 5-10. We used The New York NOC, and I have nothing bad to say about them. However, we moved on after 1 month, due to down time. (I think it was just a bad month for them, although, we couldn't take the chance at that time.)

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post Sep 13 2008, 07:02 PM
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You'll only need it when you hit the frontpage of digg.. I wouldn't worry too much about the css galleries..


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post Sep 15 2008, 02:41 PM
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The site is renamed now.
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post Sep 16 2008, 03:06 PM
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Just a bit of statistics you might be interested in:

My portfolio site (http://www.alundavey.com/) is currently being showcased on CSS Mania, CSS Divine, Most Inspired, Design Snack, Full Single, Screenalicious, One Page Love and a few other miscellaneous showcase sites.

In the past 3 days I've used almost 1 GB in bandwidth and had over 1,100 unique hits (1,200 hits total). The total size of my site is roughly 984 kilobytes.

I've actually been listed on a couple of the above sites for over 3 weeks, it wasn't until my site appeared on CSS Mania (3 days ago) that things suddenly sped up. Since appearing on there I seem to have been automatically added to a ton of other showcase sites as well, which brings in quite a bit of extra traffic as well.

If I assume that my site will continue to get the same amount of visitors/traffic for the next month (I highly doubt it) then I will hit the 10 GB bandwidth mark and have had around 11,000 unique hits.

This is the first time I've submitted to showcase sites and I feel I did quite well considering my portfolio is only one page and contains only a few items. I don't know what you site looks like or anything, but I doubt many people could go over a 600GB bandwidth limit by just being featured on a couple of CSS showcase site.

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post Sep 17 2008, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE (4lun @ Sep 16 2008, 04:06 PM) *
If I assume that my site will continue to get the same amount of visitors/traffic for the next month (I highly doubt it) then I will hit the 10 GB bandwidth mark and have had around 11,000 unique hits.


It will die down ... trust me wink.gif Been there, done that tongue.gif

You'll be fine with your 600GB of bandwidth laugh.gif I doubt you'll need more than 1 or 2 GB and after a week (or two) it dies down considerably.


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