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Is It Worth Keeping And Redesigning Or Starting From Scratch.
This is a discussion on Is It Worth Keeping And Redesigning Or Starting From Scratch., within the Website Critique & Squeeze section. This forum and the thread "Is It Worth Keeping And Redesigning Or Starting From Scratch." are both part of the The Squeeze Center category.
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 Jun 23 2008, 07:59 PM
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 Rapid Squeezer  Posts: 205 Joined: 5-June 08 From: South Carolina  |
Hi,
I was supposed to be doing a website for this church when I happened to go to their domain name and the site was mysteriously working again...I have no idea how or who built it to start with but it is outdated. But enough chit chat. The site is kirbychurch.org . I didn't design but I was wandering if an expert on this subject could look at it and see if the sites structure is worth keeping and redesigning or to start over (of which I was going to do). Thanks. And also im not sure if the company that built this has given them the source code or not. Im not even sure what it was written it. So ya. Advice on that 2. -------------------- CSS is amazing.
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Jun 23 2008, 09:20 PM
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 Don deluzione  Posts: 1,174 Joined: 13-February 08 From: Canada eh? |
I'd say: redesign.. It's all in tables, so pretty much worthless..
The design is made in Photoshop, and after that sliced into a website, which is the most horrible thing you can do 
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Jun 24 2008, 12:54 AM
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 Master of the Universe  Posts: 1,298 Joined: 15-February 08 From: London, England |
Keep the content, scrap everything else.
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Jun 24 2008, 07:04 AM
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Rapid Squeezer Posts: 205 Joined: 5-June 08 From: South Carolina |
Alrighty then. I was discussing websites with my father (while looking at this one) and hes a well knowledgeable IT Admin for a huge company. He said that he could take frontpage and make an excellent site. And I told him no you couldn't. I was trying to tell him about Web Standards but he was just saying im trying to act smart (ouch on the feelings) when ive done plenty of research on the subject. And he said why create a site with these standards and use valid html and css and not tables and frontpage because the user will see the same thing in the end...he said who actually is going to look at the sites content and judge upon that? ... And I didnt have a very correct answer so I left. lol. What should have been my answer?
This post has been edited by mv08jml: Jun 24 2008, 07:10 AM -------------------- CSS is amazing.
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Jun 24 2008, 07:36 AM
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Squeeze Machine  Posts: 677 Joined: 15-February 08 From: UK |
QUOTE (mv08jml @ Jun 24 2008, 01:04 PM)  Alrighty then. I was discussing websites with my father (while looking at this one) and hes a well knowledgeable IT Admin for a huge company. He said that he could take frontpage and make an excellent site. And I told him no you couldn't. In a sense, you're both right. You're right because Frontpage is a terrible choice of program; it creates toxic code. He's right because content beats code. Without good content, code is just an empty shell; the same goes for design. You certainly can make an excellent site in Frontpage. Although you and I might be appalled by the code, the users will only care about the content. There's a man who makes art out of elephant dung. This is like making excellent websites with Frontpage.  QUOTE And he said why create a site with these standards and use valid html and css and not tables and frontpage because the user will see the same thing in the end...he said who actually is going to look at the sites content and judge upon that? ... And I didnt have a very correct answer so I left. lol. What should have been my answer? It really depends on two things:
Standards-compliant design has several important benefits, but it also takes some time to learn. In the long term, these benefits are definitely worthwhile:
In contrast, the old table-based design method has several serious disadvantages:
How confident are you with using CSS? If you already have the skills, then there's no question which method is better. But if you're only just learning CSS, then you must recognise that CSS-based design will take you longer than table-based design. |
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Jun 24 2008, 07:57 AM
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 Co-Founder  Posts: 3,090 Joined: 13-February 08 From: Pink House in USA |
Here's an article that I wrote that might help you sort through the pros and cons.
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Jun 24 2008, 08:12 AM
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 Squeeze Machine  Posts: 764 Joined: 13-February 08 From: Catching the squeezed drips downunder. |
QUOTE There's a man who makes art out of elephant dung. This is like making excellent websites with Frontpage. I would love to get your collection of RSS feeds Mike because you certainly find some insanely apt web-design euphemisms in your reading
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Jun 24 2008, 08:38 AM
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Squeeze Machine Posts: 677 Joined: 15-February 08 From: UK |
QUOTE (Rakuli @ Jun 24 2008, 02:12 PM) I would love to get your collection of RSS feeds Mike because you certainly find some insanely apt web-design euphemisms in your reading I prefer the term epigrams.
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Jun 24 2008, 10:00 AM
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Rapid Squeezer Posts: 205 Joined: 5-June 08 From: South Carolina |
Thank you everyone. I creeped into frontpage to see what it was like again because I havnt used it since my first site years ago. So I opened it and clicked on the code tab and I saw the first part of the document was <html> it didnt even have the doc type information at the top. It started with <html> and I was like wow. I know dreamweaver automatically does the doctype and I know some others that dont but they actually started with <html> of which I learned was a big no no.
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Jun 24 2008, 12:38 PM
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Rapid Squeezer Posts: 205 Joined: 5-June 08 From: South Carolina |
I dont know what in the devil they did to design it but I went to copy the sites inner files for information purposes to my hard drive and there was over 3000 files in that domains directory and all files were related to the website...I dont know how in the world or why in the world it was like that but I was like dang.
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Jun 28 2008, 08:14 AM
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 Rapid Squeezer Posts: 177 Joined: 14-February 08 From: Northampton, England |
3000 files! what the hell they been doing :S if you like i could find u some sources on css or even make u a template to mess about with ( thats how i lernt css ). i found the best way to lern css was to get a fully working css template that was up to standards ect and then copy everything down on my own page, then code it agen and agen in different ways without looking at the code. this way you learn how to fix things yourself. fair does i still need help some times but i normaly manage to fix it befor anyone answers lol its just a matter of having the time to mess about with this stuff.
anyway back to the original post i personaly think you should code it agen not only to get css stuck in your head but also so you know were things are in the code. try it n if u need any help PM me n ill have a look and see what is wrong. Dave. -------------------- Thanks, ---------------------------------Dave. My Portfolio....:: bruno89.co.uk (60% finished) Information.....:: Available for work --------------------------------- |
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Jun 30 2008, 11:18 PM
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Rapid Squeezer Posts: 205 Joined: 5-June 08 From: South Carolina |
QUOTE (Bruno @ Jun 28 2008, 08:14 AM) 3000 files! what the hell they been doing :S if you like i could find u some sources on css or even make u a template to mess about with ( thats how i lernt css ). i found the best way to lern css was to get a fully working css template that was up to standards ect and then copy everything down on my own page, then code it agen and agen in different ways without looking at the code. this way you learn how to fix things yourself. fair does i still need help some times but i normaly manage to fix it befor anyone answers lol its just a matter of having the time to mess about with this stuff. anyway back to the original post i personaly think you should code it agen not only to get css stuck in your head but also so you know were things are in the code. try it n if u need any help PM me n ill have a look and see what is wrong. Dave. i have no idea..lol. but ya..the sites looking good. -------------------- CSS is amazing.
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Jul 1 2008, 11:38 AM
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Rapid Squeezer Posts: 177 Joined: 14-February 08 From: Northampton, England |
i bet it does
 *hint hint nudge nudge*
-------------------- Thanks, ---------------------------------Dave. My Portfolio....:: bruno89.co.uk (60% finished) Information.....:: Available for work --------------------------------- |
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